Interview with Jay Rankin, Author and Publisher

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By lmmartin

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Jay Rankin is the author and publisher of Under the Neon Sky, a non-fiction account of his years as a doorman at the MGM Grand, in the heart of the Las Vegas strip.

I reviewed his book here on HubPages a few months ago, and my verdict was: “a good read” (no, scrap that: “an excellent read,”) an opinion evidently shared by those with far more clout than I; Under the Neon Sky garnering accolades and awards. Rankin’s efforts received, Finalist in the Best Books Awards, Finalist in the International Book Awards and Finalist in the National Indie Excellence Awards.

However, as all writers know, being a good writer and producing an “excellent read” is not enough these days. One must be able to market and promote one’s work – and not all writers make good marketers. In Jay’s case, he went one step further: he became his own publisher, not just a self-published work under the auspices of CreateSpace, Lulu or Xlibris, but produced his own imprint, Jay Rankin Publishing.

My book review led to correspondence between us, and I became very interested in Jay’s approach to the publishing/marketing puzzle. I asked him if he’d be interested in sharing his hard-earned knowledge with the rest of us, and he said he’d be pleased to do so.

Here is an interview with Jay Rankin, author and publisher.

Why did you decide to self-publish?

My decision to self-publish took about two years to make. I was sure I had a very unique book with a wide audience, and – OMG! -- it was so well written. Based on my overly confident thinking, I learned the rules of engagement; querying agents and publishers. Because the life of a publisher is so overloaded, they sometimes took several months to reject me. I also knew that many times my manuscript would make it through several levels within the publisher’s office, sometimes right up to the moment a decision needed to be made one way or the other. It took such a long time, I was getting older; I was getting grey hairs. I sometimes wished they had just thrown my story into the ‘slush pile’ from the beginning.

But a big shift was taking place in the book publishing arena. The tsunami of eBooks and self-publishing businesses was changing the landscape plus, publishing houses were either going under or being bought by huge corporations. A new era of possibilities was opening for authors. I now believe the days of cloth bound books is about finished with electronic books (a lot less expensive) the new norm in your local library and brick and mortar stores.

The decision to self-publish was scary and exciting… I took the leap and learned how to crawl over and go around each rock on the road to realizing my goal.

In my review, I criticized your cover, which you defended in our subsequent correspondence. How did this cover come to be?

Keeping in mind I had a ‘finished’ manuscript, it was time to make sure all the legal stuff was in place including choosing a name for my publishing title. I found a wonderful man who was well known for his book covers. Between the two of us, we created a particular look which would evolve into a ‘brand’. The look had to be consistent with my name and title, and most importantly something that people would be drawn too. It was my first real decision as a publisher but not without some help and opinions from people whom I trusted.

My book is about Las Vegas with the word ‘neon’ in my title. I wanted a particular look on the cover print that reflected Las Vegas in the way my title words, background, my name, etc. were created. I even made business cards to reflect my book cover.

In the end, I believe I succeeded in doing one of the most important jobs as a publisher: producing a very professional looking book.

Would you share your publishing process with the rest of us?

The process to self-publish a book is like starting college. If you decide to major in business and look at every course you must take in order to receive a four-year degree, you could go into shock.

To publish a professionally put-together book, requires a very long list of things to accomplish by doing it yourself or hiring someone before your goal is physically in your hands.

The process is like a check list:

  • find a really good editor
  • get rid of typos
  • look at the copyright page of other books
  • check again for typos
  • get ISBN numbers and bar-codes,
  • find cover artist
  • find interior design professional to work on dimensions of the book, select paper color, fonts, and decide, where are the page numbers located.
  • research the prices of perfect, clothbound books
  • research prices for eBook
  • look for typos again
  • research and find printer
  • find someone to transfer the manuscript to all eBook formats
  • and on and on...

So as a self-publisher there are three different personalities, three different hats, three different jobs you must be good at. After all, you are the publisher and if you recall back in the dark ages, publishers produced, marketed and fulfilled the big book houses for writers. They took care of the big reviews. They wined and dined all sorts of players in New York to get their clients here and there. Now, it’s just you, the person who actually wrote the damn thing who must now put it together and market it …what the hell?

What do you see as the benefits of self-publishing?

The benefit of writing and publishing your own book is like earning a degree or any other achievement that can never be taken away from you. It becomes a part of your definition, your mark, your list of accomplishments.

You may also receive a larger share of sales by self-publishing. So the risk is to know how difficult the book business is in terms of making money and to make the call.

Just don’t quit your day job.

There will be people who won’t have anything to do with you such as some reviewers, book reps, and large brick and mortar book stores because you’re not represented by a ‘real publisher’. It’s really ridiculous.

What’s really helping us peasant writers is the Nook and Kindle and all the other e-formats that are actually helping put many publishers out of business. We are part of a revolution of dreamers who have had enough and aren’t going to take ‘no’ for an answer anymore.

Tell us about the marketing of your book.

I was so compulsive and immersed in producing a book based on what I had gone through, I jumped in with both feet believing the rest of the world would love to read about a doorman who worked in the middle of the night on the Las Vegas Strip.

After the book was produced, I hired a ‘conventional’ PR firm who took my story, created a press release from it and ultimately booked me on about 90 radio talk shows and several TV shows throughout the country.

I hired a well-respected Social Media marketing guru. I also had a website linked to Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. I have written hundreds of tweets.

I asked people to give me reviews on Amazon (they are wonderful).

I went through tours, gave books away, entered book contests and won three awards.

I have been on radio panels with some of the old time Vegas mobsters. My articles include hookers, fight nights in Las Vegas, alcohol, gambling and drug issues as it relates to 5 star customer service.

I tried to do everything I could possibly think of to find the right set of eyes to purchase my book.

But, alas, after all my efforts, I would love to say I broke even, but I didn’t.

I now believe there are no answers that pertain to all writers who have a story to tell. Some do well, while others don’t.

Will you take other authors under your publishing imprint?

Because I went into this for myself, I have no real desire to take on other writers.

What do you see for the future of books and publishing?

I have no idea what the future will bring because somewhere out there is a brilliant nerd who is working on a new invention for books.

Maybe we will all have an isotope placed into our skulls and simply download a book or maybe several thousand books. Then by placing a headset on... poof, there’s the book in front of our eyes.

I believe there will be a much larger population of readers than today because it is the nature of humans to entertain themselves. The usual stuff such as going to the movies or shopping or eating out constantly is becoming too expensive for most. I do believe many publishers will fall while others will re-invent themselves and go with the flow of this evolving business.

What advice do you have for other writers?

After all I’ve been through I still have no real gift I can pass along to other writers other than to follow your heart and sometimes you need to wear a badge of courage and trust yourself. The bottom line is to know you are unique, and to give yourself a shot at living the dream.

- Jay Rankin, Author and Publisher of Under the Neon Sky….A Las Vegas Doorman’s Story

Thanks, Jay, for sharing your experience with us. I understand you are currently working on a sequel to Under the Neon Sky. I wish you the best of luck with your endeavors. May you see a well-earned success.

- -- Lynda M. Martin, February 2, 2012

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Virtual Treasures Level 2 Commenter 3 months ago

Voted up and interesting! I've often wondered how financially successful self-publishers are. This was a very interesting read! Thank you, Lynda!

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UlrikeGrace Level 2 Commenter 3 months ago

Very well done Lynda, voted up and useful...as I get closer and closer to my goal of finsihing this book I get more concerned about what's next. This has helped a great deal, thank you for sharing it with us. Blessings to you.

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resspenser Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Well done, Lynda. This was very interesting!

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Hi Virtualtreasures -- Glad you found it interesting.

Hi UlrikeGrace -- my pleasure.

Thanks Resspenser.

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Angela Blair Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

I had read your earlier Hub on Jay Rankin and his book and was delighted to find you'd interviewed him. It appears to me self-publishing authors have arrived at the place where musicians landed some years ago -- they began producing their own Cds which evolved to "indie" releases. They do better each and every year -- but it's taken a while. Perhaps there's just a time frame to be endured before self-published authors begin getting the attention they deserve. Let's hope so! Best, Sis

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Yes, Angela, let's hope so, for I am about to self-publish the second novel in the Bria Connelly series. The first was traditionally published but received not marketing support. My publisher would tell me what book shows they were planning to attend AND WHAT IT WOULD COST ME TO HAVE MY BOOK THERE! I get 10% for royalties; they get 90% but I had to pay... Further, they've done nothing but nothing for me, so why wouldn't I publish myself? Jay is right; the times they are a-changing. I will start with e-books and if demand requires, I will self-publish hard copy.

For all the tripe out there about "don't self-publish; you'll do your reputation harm," the way things are running in the traditional publishing business, the author is still expected to do everything and pay for everything. So, if I'm to do all the work, I may as well reap the most benefit.

Yes, the "book" world is changing and I hope for the better.

Thanks so much for commenting and excuse my rant. Lynda

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Angela Blair Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

Loved your rant, Lynda -- I got to that place, too and just published a little book through the best source I've found. I received my copy of the book less than 10 days after I punched the publish button and it's also in ebook form -- print on demand, of course, but I'm truly impressed. Shoot me an email if you'd like further info as I'd be delighted to share my experience with you. Best, Sis

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks, Angela. As far as I can see, traditional publishing has come to be a bit of a racket, and yet so many are under the impression it's the "only way to go." Hey -- I'll give it a whirl. As Jay says, it's exciting and scary, which sounds like fun to me. Lynda

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htodd 3 months ago

Great interview Immartin...Thanks for the nice post

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks htodd. Always nice to hear from you.

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drbj Level 8 Commenter 3 months ago

Very refreshing, Lynda, to hear the truth about publishing books these days from a writer who has 'been through the mill.' The future as I see it - for now - is ebooks. Excellent interview and eminently readable, m'dear.

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Diane Stephenson 3 months ago

Thanks for the great interview, Lynda. It's good to have this info all in one place. I think many people have no idea what it takes to not only write a book but to publish a quality book. This is an honest overview that does not leave us in la-la land thinking it will be a breeze once we finish writing. It takes continual work even after the book is published. And as Jay has indicated, even after all the professional promotion and marketing there is no guarantee you will come out even let alone ahead of the game financially. This is a case of sitting down and counting the cost before you start.

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

I agree completely, Dian Stephenson. Today's author has to be able to not only write but run his book as a business. It's unfortunate in many ways, but that's the way it is. Very few authors make money and that's something we all need to understand before going into such a venture. Thanks for your comment. Lynda

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Docmo Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

A brilliant interview, Lynda. Thanks for sharing his story with us, it really is inspiring - well done him taking control of his own destiny.voted up!

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Mr. Happy Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

Interesting interview Mrs. Lynda, I have been of the opinion that everyone should publish things on their since I worked for a small publishing house here in Toronto.

This was many years ago, probably just over ten years and I remember the owners complaining all the time that most of the things that sell, are "new-age and how-to books". Publishers generally are a business and they want to make money. If they feel that a title given to them will make no money, they will not take it on. Or they might sugest that a writer switch/change some things to make their writing more attractive to readers.

I have never been able to compromise my ideas for money and I don't think anyone else should. That is the main reason why I think being your own publisher as a writer, is the way to go.

Thank You for posting this interview. His ideas were quite interesting. (Not so happy about the one where paper books go extinct ...)

All the best!

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Mr. Happy Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

lol I just realized I ate a word earlier ... first sentence should read " ... everyone should publish things on their own" ... editing is critical ...

Cheers!

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks Docmo (on behalf of Jay Rankin of course.)

Hi Happy, not to worry. I got the drift anyway, but thanks for coming back to explain. Of course publishers want to make money. Most writers would like to as well, though one hopes that is not their sole motivation. I agree with you on the demise of the paper book. Nothing will replace that intimate relationship with the book in your hands and your imagination... Thanks for commenting. Lynda

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Rolly A Chabot Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

Well written Lynda and certainly an eye opener this morning.

Blessings and Hugs from Canada

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lmmartin Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks Rolly. Blessings and hugs accepted. Lynda

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itakins Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

`Wow-I have to admit my adrenalin levels shot up reading this (fascinating)article ! Memories of a self publishing saga here-!Another great hub,needless to say.

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 months ago

Adrenaline? This was no cliff-hanger (just an inordinately well written helpful hub about publishing) so I can only assume you are starved for excitement. Not that publishing is a boring subject, just never thought reading about it would cause soaring adrenaline. However, if Jay's story disapated your ennui, I am pleased.

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itakins Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

It was the traumatic memories of chief go-for to self publisher who left me to do all except write the book -I am still a shadow of my former self as a result .Yes indeed an extremely well written hub about a thoroughly fascinating (I lie)subject:)

ps The lie refers to subject matter -not quality of course, and I am very biased on this:)

Jay Rankin 2 months ago

I want to thank all of you who have taken the time to respond to the interview I did with Lynda. I hope it helps, clarifies, and inspires. Lynda, thank you again.

Jay

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PegCole17 Level 7 Commenter 2 months ago

Very interesting follow up with the author. After reading the first article I wondered what the outcome would be for Mr. Rankin's book.

It's sad to think the days of paper and cloth binding will pass away while we go blind reading a tiny screen. I still prefer the hard cover books although they're getting harder to hold.

A few weeks ago when I lost power for nineteen hours, my phones, TV, computer and plug in to the wall flashlights all went dead. Thankfully, while I waited for the electric company to fix the broken wire, I still had a battery operated flashlight and a real book to read.

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