These Foolish Things -- remind me of you. 6 ridiculous things.

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By lmmartin

As the Tin Man told Dorothy, "Run, run, don't fall asleep in the poppies."
As the Tin Man told Dorothy, "Run, run, don't fall asleep in the poppies."

6 pretty stupid things I've heard lately.

I’ve been writing on the heavy side for a while. Time to lighten up, I tell myself. Time to find some humor in this ridiculous world we all call home. But it was hard. Recent events and a relapse, and/or new strain of H1N1 (one of which lives in Canada and the other in Florida, according to the doctor at the hospital here) had me under the weather and morbid. I need a good laugh, I said, and didn’t have to go far to find one.

Here’s my favorite. For all of you out there without work, prospects of work, or just simply coming to the end of your finances – I have a new cure. Join the Taliban. Yes – join the Taliban, and the American government will pay you not to fight. I’m dead serious. I found an article on CNN, about U.S. plans to pay Taliban followers not to follow, not to fight. Isn’t this the answer to everything? Here are the details and you really should read this before you book that flight to Kabul.

(CNN) -- "There is a well-known saying in Afghanistan: "You can rent an Afghan, but you can't buy him."

"Some experts on the region believe a U.S. program to pay Taliban fighters to quit the organization is buying temporary loyalty.

President Obama on Wednesday signed a $680 billion defense appropriations bill, which will pay for military operations in the 2010 fiscal year. The bill includes a Taliban reintegration provision under the Commander's Emergency Response Program, which is now receiving $1.3 billion. CERP funding also is intended for humanitarian relief and reconstruction projects at commanders' discretion.

The buyout idea, according to the Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, is to separate local Taliban from their leaders, replicating a program used to neutralize the insurgency against Americans in Iraq.

"Afghan leaders and our military say that local Taliban fighters are motivated largely by the need for a job or loyalty to the local leader who pays them and not by ideology or religious zeal," Levin said in a Senate floor speech on September 11. "They believe an effort to attract these fighters to the government's side could succeed, if they are offered security for themselves and their families, and if there is no penalty for previous activity against us."

But said that while the plan has a "reasonable chance for some success," the old Afghan saying will eventually be borne out.

"So long as the Americans are keenly aware of this, you're buying a very, very, very temporary allegiance," he [Nicholas Schmidle, an expert on the Afghanistan-Pakistan region for the non-partisan New America Foundation], said. "If that's the foundation for moving forward, it's a shaky foundation.""

See? I wasn’t joking. While you’re still waiting for the relief promised for your mortgage, or a job, and your life situation is a little shaky – the country that can’t afford health care is paying the Taliban not to fight – so hop on down to the Taliban recruiting office and sign up. I mean what’s the down side? Your family is depending on you, so don’t be slow.

Second? Sara Palin. (Oh please, Levi, do tell.) She’s ignoring you – didn’t you hear?

Third – this comes from real life. There’s a lady I met here in Florida four years ago, and although we’re not what I’d call friends, apparently we are in her eyes. I guess the news of my return got around to her, and she came by for a chat, despite the fact I'm sick, and had a glass (or three) of my cheap wine. She’s about to lose her job, which is a truly big issue for her, more than most. Her job is her life, to the exclusion of her one and only daughter, her grandchildren, society in general, and everyone but me, so it seems.

What is her job? She works for a Florida bank as the manager of foreclosures. (Boo! Hiss!) And trust me, personality wise, this is the perfect job for her. Apparently, every house that can be foreclosed has been, in Florida, and the bank no longer needs her services, as the end of their business in that area looms on the horizon. Now, on my street alone, several houses have been foreclosed over the past four years, and then rented out to those that lost other houses to foreclosure, and are renting these, waiting out the three years before they can buy the houses they are in now. I got a little dizzy. And not just from the wine.

“Do you mean,” I asked, trying to understand the point of it all. “That you foreclose on a house; force the people to move, then rent said house to other people who have had to move because their house was foreclosed?”

Even she looked dizzy, as though she’d never looked at the situation from this point of view. “Yes.”

“Well, why not just let the original people stay in their houses, and rent them?”

“We couldn’t do that!” She was affronted. “They have to leave if their mortgage is called. That’s the whole point.”

“But ....” I gave up. At least moving companies, U-Haul, and all those deposits for utilities were making money for someone.

Fourth – health coverage in this country. Okay – here’s the situation as I see it:

We have the greatest country the world has ever seen, and it doesn’t provide health coverage for its citizens, because a private industry (exempt from anti-trust laws) are set up to do so, BUT they won’t take on anyone who has a pre-existing condition that might lead to an illness, and those who may have paid into their scheme for years will be dropped if they get sick, so then those that need health coverage the most can’t get it, and the Democrats are trying to pass legislation to rectify this problem, but the bill is now so messed up that apparently 90% of Americans won’t be able to get it, and if you can get insurance through work, you can’t even apply even if it might be less expensive, and now it’s states – not individuals – that can opt in or out, and --- oh this is just so f**ked! Again, I give up on understanding.

So, I went out and applied for health insurance yesterday, to see what it’s like. I’m very healthy, although I do suffer from rheumatoid arthritis, which was diagnosed twenty-seven years ago, for which I do not medicate except for pain now and then (don’t ask what) and the only problem it’s given me is the inability to wear fashionable shoes, and my fingers make lots of typos. But health wise – I’m a good risk (I think.)

Now not having a clue as to how to go about it, I filled out a “help” form on the internet. I’d just hit send when the first of a hundred calls arrived. Wow! I’m impressed, and the first to reach me got the privilege of taking my application. She was a lovely lady and an American (unlike some of the others who tried to “help”.) She gladly took down my answers to her questions – no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes – I have the pre-existing condition of very slow progressing R.A.

“Oh. Well that makes things difficult.” She hums and haws. “Yes, it’s here on the list as a disqualification, except for – oh, um—here’s one that might accept you.”

“One?” I am astounded. I’m healthy as an ox, and although I can no longer run, I can walk miles. “Only one?”

Yes, only one carrier willing to gamble on my continuing existence. 80% coverage, with a deductible of $5,000 (but she’s quick to inform me, the 20% co-pay is capped at $3,000 yearly, which means at most, I’d only be liable for $8,000 in any one year) at a monthly premium of only $289.99 monthly.

“Okay,” say I, “Let’s go for it.” Who knows, even at that price, it might be more efficient than buying traveler’s insurance every time I cross the border (in which my pre-existing condition non life-threatening is covered, and I have 100% coverage with no deductible to a maximum of $2 million, for $535 for six months – from a Canadian carrier.)

So, we’re filling in the application when she asks, “Your social security number?”

“I don’t have one.”

“What?”

“I don’t have a social security number,” I repeat, then offer helpfully, “But I do have a Canadian social insurance number – do you want that?” I mean really, as long as I’m willing to pay for it, what difference does it make?

“I don’t think they’ll insure an illegal.”

Why not? Wouldn’t it save a lot of problems? But instead, I explain, “I’m not an illegal. I’m married to an American and I’m in the U.S. as a visitor. I’ve been in and out of this country for over forty years, but never illegally. I just want health insurance and I can afford it.”

She had to do some research, and call me back. “Well, seeing as you’ve been in the country for so many years, and you’re married to an American citizen and because you came from an English speaking country, it’s probably all right.”

“An English speaking country?” I query, shocked and suddenly glad I’m not from Quebec. “What does that have to do with it?”

“Well, you know – you’re from a civilized place, with proper medicine, and you’ve had vaccinations.”

Now is probably not the time to tell her how advanced medicine is in places that don’t speak English, like Costa Rica for example, and how most of them provide universal medical care, which automatically suggests better over-all health of their population. Instead, I wimp out. “Oh.”

“Now how do you want to pay for the first premium – credit card or check?”

“I’m accepted?”

“Oh no, not yet.”

“I have to pay before I even know if I’m going to get it?”

“They’ll give you your money back if they turn you down.”

“With interest?”

She sighs, and I plead for forbearance. After all, I’ve never done this before.

“You should hear in a few weeks.”

So, does anyone want to make book on it? Will I get insurance? And if not, what will be my disqualification – my non-life threatening pre-existing condition that has required no medical attention to date, or my lack of social security number. Should I set up a poll?

Next up? Number 5: A TV commercial (yeah, I know, they’re all stupid, but this one goes above and beyond the call.) A young mum fills the screen and whines about all the hardship her family is facing, and pleads, “Oh, Mr. Government man, pennies are nothing to you (no joke!) But to us it’s everything.” A soothing male voice (you know the one – gets my juices going every time) takes over and in his dulcet tones, so persuasive, so seductive says, “Send a message to Washington. American families simply can’t afford taxes on groceries, like juice boxes and sodas.”

A tax on groceries? Oh my God, not even Canada taxes those. Really? But then, the sex-dripping male voice recedes from my memory, and my common sense takes over. Groceries – things like rice, pasta, fresh vegetables, dried peas and beans, potatoes and fresh fruit – now those are groceries and they are not taxed now, nor are they slated to be. But sodas and juice boxes – those flavored, sugar-syrup poisons the North American mum has been duped into thinking are good for her kids – are not groceries. And should not be confused with such. Our children’s diets so rich in sugar in all its disguises are directly responsible for the rise in diabetes (another big industry – check it out) and should be taxed into extinction.

So you, Mister Sexy-Voice Man, are a liar. (I should have known. Almost six decades into my life and I’m still a sucker for a smooth-talking man.)

Six: Rachel Maddow tonight states she is shocked, shocked and appalled to learn the CIA has a king-pin of the Afghan opium trade on its payroll, who is also supporting the Taliban (probably paying them to fight. These guys must be making out like bandits)Has anyone noticed Afghanistan is pretty much on everyone’s televised lips these past few days? Now this story is disgusting, and a true reflection of the times we live in. I have a cousin, and few friends of mine have kids who are currently in Afghanistan – with the Canadian troops over there, and my cousin puts his life on the line every day working to find and neutralize land mines (those things that innocent people step on that blows them to smithereens.) And there’s never any mention of the fatalities and sacrifices that the other troops suffer, but this is a digression. I mean, if you want it all to yourselves, the Canadians would be very happy to go home. Oops, that trickled out and is also a digression.

What I find amusing and foolish about the story, is that she’s surprised and appalled. Now, refresh my memory – which President was in office when the whole story of drugs, arms, money paid, all relating to a group called the Contras, surprised and appalled some journalist?. Oh gosh, the details are gone, and this isn’t the kind of article that requires the effort of research. No, it’s just opinion.

And does anyone remember Chile? And the reign of terror the CIA (allegedly) let loose in that land?

I remember a sixties ditty, sung at political folk music rallies, not quite as popular as “Hell no, we won’t go!” but still a good one. I don’t remember all of it, except the refrain that went like this:

“...down in Santiago, if they get free

They might nationalize IT&T.

Tra-la-la, ditty-ditty-dum

It looks to us like they’re all going red

And our money’s on the generals there instead.”

Now, I thought I had memory lapses, but this great big hole in the national memory banks is a definite sign of encroaching dementia.

Surprised and appalled – oh, please! Now, that is funny.

Will lmmartin get health coverage in the U.S.?

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If no -- why?

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Ivorwen profile image

Ivorwen Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Loved #3! Maybe things are turning around in America?

"Groceries – things like rice, pasta, fresh vegetables, dried peas and beans, potatoes and fresh fruit – now those are groceries and they are not taxed now, nor are they slated to be. But sodas and juice boxes – those flavored, sugar-syrup poisons the North American mum has been duped into thinking are good for her kids – are not groceries." So true!

ralwus 2 years ago

I was in AL a few years back, well more than a few actually. They tax everything, but real estate tax is cheap and If one fishes with a cane pole it is free. I can relate to the rest of these issues too.

Now, where is that wild Cowgirl hub ya promised? hmmmm? CC

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GusTheRedneck Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

lmmartin - Go on now - you are an illegal. Those are the ones who make me laugh too much. Gus

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kartika damon Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

You had me laughing and crying at the same time - absolutely hilarious and devastating - what a world, what a country - and, I think you are definitely on the long list for health insurance (but, you have plenty of company!). Every time I see that bogus add about the poor middle class mom trying to make ends meet, lamenting we might have to tax soda and "Juice drinks" (sugar water?), depriving her family of adequate nutrition - boo hoo - I feel like I'm getting swine flu!

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Oh wow, look at these comments. I guess I wasn't the only one who couldn't sleep last night. I'm so congested with this damn swine flu, I can't lie down, and can't sleep sitting up. So I wrote, instead. Just woke up.

Hi Ivorwen and welcome to my hubs. Glad you could drop by and yes, the grocery thing and the great Florida house shuffle are pretty funny. Hope you come back.

Hi ralwus, where is AL (Alabama?) I'm from Ab (Alberta) and for your edification, it is the only province that has no provincial sales tax. Thanks for coming by, and yes it's a strange world we live in.

Gus, you shut your mouth. I AM NOT an illegal. (Come on -- you never know who reads these things.) More than happy to give you a good laugh though. Lord knows, if we didn't laugh, we'd cry.

Hi Kartika, glad to amuse you, too. Sometimes I wonder why everyone doesn't see the stupidities of life. Is it just me? Every where I look -- stupidity. (and manipulation, propoganda, brain-washing, and lies.)

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

UPDATE: Need to change my comments on number 4. Nancy Pelosi just announced the final bill will cover 96% of Americans and will bring fairness and competition to the health care coverage industry. Well -- that is good news -- isn't it? Of course, I'll withold my enthusiasm till I see the details. But until then, welcome America! to the world where all may seek medical assistance no matter what their situation -- or is that premature? Will it cover those who simply can't afford to pay? Will costs be based on a means test? Will it cover those with preexisting conditions -- or will the government option just be one more carrier like the others? Who knows? When will they tell us?

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cjv123 Level 5 Commenter 2 years ago

I'm so sorry you're so sick! Wow! Having the flu is miserable, no less this new horrible strain. I hope you recover very quickly.

I hope you don't mind me commenting about something. While most of your witty and well-written missive was great - there is one thing I have to disagree with you on. The annoying way the commercial was made aside - the point is this. The U.S. Constitution does not say anywhere that our food or 90% of what we're taxed for should EVER be taxed by the Federal government. It's arguably unconstitutional and furthermore, it makes utterly NO sense. The idea is preposterous - I work hard for my earnings - the federal government takes it away and spends it on giving billions to ACORN or to fund abortions through Planned Parenthood (their NET was something like 1.4 BILLION dollars in 2008- absolutely disgusting!). In the meantime - I'm out the money and the government spends MY money on things I don't want the government to spend it on!

State and local taxes are good to go - I have the option of moving if I don't like how my county, city or even state is spending the money they take from me.

As far as taxing even sugary, bad-for-you drinks - it's my business if I wish to buy any legal food or substance. It's not the business of the federal government to tell me what I should or should not eat. We are already way, way, WAY overtaxed in this country. Instead of taxing U.S. Citizens to death - the federal government should stop spending and wasting the tax money they already get which is an obscene amount as it is. You welcome more taxes? No thank you! I say - for all those who want to raise taxes - TAX THEM - but leave my money alone!

Otherwise - a very good Hub especially considering you're so sick! Very enjoyable indeed!

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi CJV123, how nice to hear from you again. And of course I don't mind if you comment on stuff -- that's the whole point and the fun of it all.

Yeah, you're right, the consitution doesn't say much about taxation, but then I imagine back then they couldn't have imagined the intricacies of modern life. Not that I'm pro-tax -- far from it.

And my little point wasn't that the tax on sugary stuff was okay, as how the public has been hoodwinked that these things are groceries, necessities of life and good for you at the cost of our children's health.

And a good deal of my writing has a lot to say on government wasting our money. May I suggest you take a peek at My Nero hub, if you want to see how I view the world.

But then democracy does mean rule of the majority, and I don't get to choose to opt in or out of such things. No I'm just a little person.

Nor do I want to make choices -- financial or moral -- for anyone else. My beliefs are mine, and everyone else is free to follow their own conscience.

I do believe in freedom.

So in answer to the question which I assume is -- You welcome more taxes? No this little chickadee does not.

I just wanted to share my view on the absurdity of the world. There's two choices -- laugh or cry. I choose the former.

And I think I'm feeling better for it.

pgrundy 2 years ago

lol! Welcome to the United States! I enjoyed this, but also, much of what you touch on here is very serious, even though you did give me a laugh. Thanks for the laugh anyway. I can't get health insurance because I've had two cardiac incidents and have been treated for depression. My high-deductible policy from the bank (back when I still had a job) would have run me $726 per month to continue on COBRA--$2500 deductible with 80/20 after that. Without a job I couldn't afford that.

The foreclosure mess doesn't get enough press. I have a house in Indiana I can't sell and haven't made a payment on in a year. The bank won't foreclose. I bought it for $39,900 in 2005 and got a letter early this summer from Wells Fargo saying they estimate it is worth $13,000 but they would like me to send them $43,000 immediately. In truth it's worth less than nothing. Two years on the market go not one showing and I couldn't even PAY a renter to stay there because of safety issues in the neighborhood. No homes have sold in that neighborhood in the past six months, and in fact the city is now struggling with the 'dumping' of homes by mortgage companies like mine who don't want the expense of foreclosure and so just walk away from these houses.

I guess I should feel guilty but I don't. It's a long story why not. If people want to judge me, fine--whatever makes them feel better. I've worked hard my whole life and what do I have to show for it? I'm way past being bitter--at this point all I can do is laugh, but it gets hard.

Keep smilin'. Might as well!

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi pgrundy,

You are so right -- these are indeed serious issues. But I think we get the message across wrapped up in humor, instead of more woe-crying. I don't know much about Michigan, except what Michael Moore has to say about it, but I understand the situation as being down-right third-worldly. And what you have to say brings more questions to mind. If all those houses are sitting empty, have been written off by the banks -- why not let those without homes rent them for a minimal payment? Or is that too common-sensical to contemplate? And speaking just for myself, ignoring the bill for that mortgage is the only sensible thing to do, so don't worry about it.

And the health insurance industry and what is now in the government's hands? I'm happy to go on record right now and say:

Everyone is entitled to health care -- whether they can afford it or not, whether in good or poor health, whether they are citizens or illegals, whether they are good or bad. To my mind it is a basic human right and this has nothing to do with political labeling. (You socialist! -- I'm so sick of that crap!)

One thing about my home country which does make me proud is that we care for everyone in our society in that respect. And yes we do have our problems but nothing at all like the picture that's been painted for you folks down here. That is sheer propoganda. A fine human being like pgrundy, were she there, wouldn't sit worried about what she will do if she needs medical help.

People die in this country because they can't get insurance. That is a crime against humanity. (And the other day someone told me Canada is a communist country. Helping each other is only something communists do? Ok then, call me one if it makes you feel better.)

So there it is -- I've stated my opinion solidly.

Oh but how will we pay for it? the opposition cries.

Well, how about you get rid of your 780 military bases in foreign countries around the world and leave the world to figure itself out by itself; how about you cancel the 680 billion just slated for Afghanistan and let them figure things out for themselves, too (and the Canadians should come home as well, especially my cousin -- come home while you still can.)

How about you stop building ridiculously expensive machinery for the military at unimaginable, inflated, inefficient costs? The cold war is over and the war on terrorism can never be won with such weapons, nor do these big machines work in such an arena. And who is this 'enemy' ccreating such threat that we must spend so much borrowed money arming ourselves to stop them? Who? There's always a new bogeyman, isn't there.

How about no more money to shore up questionable governments in far away places? How about no more money to shore up failing industries that just move to China anyway?

Why not just stop trying to be the leader of the free world and the policeman of the unfree? It's pretty bogus anyway. And not your problem.

You have enough problemshere at home. America first! And Americans first! It's time for this great nation to turn it's eyes inward, to care for her own with the same generosity she's shown to those in need overseas. That's what I've never figured out. Why is America so generous to others and so miserly with her own people?

So, while I hope you I made you laugh at the absurdity of it all, it's really not all fun and games.

pgrundy 2 years ago

So right you are. The amount of money we wasted on the Iraq war alone would have financed universal care of all Americans for over a decade. We seem to be way more interested in blowing up little brown kids SOMEWHERE on the globe come hell or high water than in taking care of our own.

The job situation is Michigan is truly hellish. There is just nothing, and millions competing for what isn't there. The city in Indiana I left isn't any better, that's why so many vacant houses are cropping up there. If you've ever seen Flint or the harsher parts of Detroit you've got the general picture. There are people called 'freegans' who do claim these abandoned places and squat in them, but the problem is safety.

It took us six months to find a renter when we couldn't sell that place, and the renter was a relative who didn't pay us. She left after several months. I begged her to stay and just keep the place occupied, but she wouldn't, not even for free. At some point I will probably get a demolition or back taxes bill from the city--although it could take years. Then they'll probably slap a lien on anything I might still have--if I still have anything by then. If ever a problem called out for a creative solution this is one of them--Here we have this shortage of affordable housing alongside all these vacant decaying homes.

It's insanity. But the same thing happened during the Depression. The banks foreclosed on farms that no one wanted and bulldozed the homes on them. Now they aren't even foreclosing on many of these homes. The number of homes 'in limbo' like this is hard to quantify but it's estimated to be in the millions---homes that are badly delinquent and/or vacant but aren't worth the cost of foreclosure proceedings.

On a more upbeat note, we watched "Canadian Bacon" this morning--the movie in which the U.S. declares war on Canada to boost the President's approval ratings. It was pretty funny. I miss John Candy. What a goof. :)

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nicomp Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

We are the greatest country in the world and we do indeed provide health care for our citizens who are unable to provide for themselves. We also provide the right to earn a living to purchase insurance. We do not, however, provide universal health care as a so-called human right, since health care is not a human right, nor will it ever be. Humans rights, by definition, must be free. Not free for everyone, but free to provide. Think about it.

PS> Rachel Maddow, now Maddox

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi nicomp,

Sorry for the typo. As I said -- the one thing RA does to me is cause my fingers to make many typos, and my poor editing skills don't see them, for some reason.

A right is that which causes obligation on society's side. i.e. the right to basic education goes hand in hand with the obligation for society to provide the means. or, the right to a trial by a jury of your peers relies on societies obligation to provide a justice system. Erego, the right to basic health care (for those that choose to make it a right) creates an obligation on society to provide that means. And many societies do adopt this as a human right.

And for many of us in the world, medical car is a human right, like basic education. And I have thought about it, a lot, while travelling much of this world.

And I'm sorry to say, but many who are unable to provide for themselves in this country do not get health care, and many who are working in this country do not have health care insurance.

Providing the right to earn a living in order to purchase insurance, is not the same is providing jobs and when there aren't jobs, the whole discussion becomes moot.

As I said earlier, each is free to formulate their own opinions, and yours are as valid as mine. But don't tell me to think about it, as though I haven't already done so, and if only I would, I'd surely see things your way.

Thanks for dropping by and sharing your comment. I hope you come back, read some of my other hubs, and comment some more.

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nicomp Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

"And I'm sorry to say, but many who are unable to provide for themselves in this country do not get health care, and many who are working in this country do not have health care insurance."

I will venture out on a limb and speculate that you are not involved in health care on a daily basis; otherwise you would agree that those who cannot care for themselves are given free dental, free vision, free glasses, free surgery, free emergency care, free transportation to the doctor, free food, and more.

I didn't say that everyone who was working had health care insurance -- you put those words in my mouth. Everyone has the human right to pursue happiness, which for each individual may or may not include the purchase of health insurance. The government cannot be in the business of competing with private insurers while at the same time regulating them and legislating toward them. It's nonsense.

It's pure foolishness to put a government between us and out care givers when that same government cannot get water bottles to Hurricane Katrina victims, as I'm sure you agree.

pgrundy 2 years ago

The second sentence of the Declaration of Independence reads, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

If a person cannot obtain health care except by obtaining employment with a multinational corporation that provides some form of health insurance, and if the reason this is so is because of the horrendous and inflated expense associated with health care due to the monopoly that health insurance companies now hold, that does impact on all three inalienable rights of ALL human beings--life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

A good argument can be made that the current situation regarding health care and its availability in the U.S. is in direct contradiction to the spirit of the words of the Founding Fathers. It's not about government getting between anyone and his or her doctor--insurance bureaucrats ALREADY get between individuals and their doctors every day. It's about leveling the playing field and granting equal access.

I get really tired of corporate apologists and right wing extremists behaving as if they are the only people in the U.S. qualified to wave the flag. You can't work to get your health care if you are sick or dead because you have no health care. That's pure foolishness, and callous in the bargain.

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Wow, pgrundy -- thanks for saving me the trouble.

Hi nicomp, I might be more inclined to reconsider your ideas and think further if they were not so arrogantly directed. I did not put words in your mouth -- those are my words! And I do not want this hub to degenerate into a never ending argument. No, I do not work in health care, but my next door neighbor does, and has many stories to tell of those who do not get the care they need until they are seriously and critically ill because they don't have coverage. Also, here on my street are those who are just making ends meet, and funds for health insurance is a distant dream. So, let's make a deal -- you tell me where these free services of which you speak can be found, and I will pass the information on to them. They need it. I do not.

Sir, I've just visited your hub and left you some comments -- nice, polite ones, and I do know two things. First, you are a young, well educated fellow with a good job, and I doubt you are in a position, or have the life experience to either understand or empathise with the reality many in this country face. Secondly, you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.

susie wilder 2 years ago

I must agree that if you fight hard and long enough, there will be a loop hole you will find to get the insurance you need. At this point I totally agree with New Hampshire,"Live Free or Die" logo. Our government is overwhelmed with issues, that someone or something out there will find an insurance policy for you. Keep positive. Susie

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Susie, Susie, here is another example of using a slogan to avoid looking at the obvious. You already have public health insurance, since you are on Medicare based on your disability. If you did not qualify for that program, what would you have done? One in four people in Florida under the age of 65 is without medical coverage of any kind. But yeah-- live free or die. Well I guess they'll have to choose die.

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kartika damon Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

pgrundy and Immartin, I'm just jumping in here to say, "go girls!" It's a no-brainer that pgrundy's situation is not her fault or the fault of others caught in this mess delivered to us by corrupt financial insustries who were deemed too big to fail and had to be bailed out by the middle class who are losing on every account. I'd walk away or do whatever I had to without a second thought - the system was rigged and you got screwed.

ncomp, you make my case! As long as Americans fight against their own best interests, acting like we have to put up with the current health care mess and shouldn't have a sane and fair healthcare system like other western democracies, we will continue giving health insurance companies the power to decide who lives and who dies.

Susie, I doubt your words bring much comfort to the uninsured, and the fact you resort to cliches and slogans demonstrates a lack of understanding--positive thinking does not guarantee health care or that people will be able to find a way to get insurance. Kartika

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi all of you. I've been so moved by the comments on what was supposed to be a humorous (bitterly tinged yes) piece on the aburdity of the world, and has now come down to a debate on health care and human rights, I've spent three days researching and writing a new hub on just that. I call it "A Look at Human Rights and Medical Care" I hope all of you take a look at it.

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Duchess OBlunt Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

llmartin, i don't live in the US and I don't travel back and forth, so I hesitate to give my opinion here. It certainly appears to have opened a discussion you were not expecting.

Need food, but then I am over to "A Look at Human Rights and Medical Care"

guest 2 years ago

hi, wow having thr flu must be tough.

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lmmartin Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi guest, it was.

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PegCole17 Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

The comments were even better than the hub, which was both funny and sad. Masterfully written as usual, Ms. Martin. What a variety of people there are out there! Amazing and revolting. Hope by now you are over your flu whatever they are calling it today. Be well.

ahughes 18 months ago

Just wanted to let you know in some states groceries are taxed. Meaning vegetables, fruits, milk, meat ect ect you get the point.

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lmmartin Hub Author 18 months ago

Ye Gods -- glad I don't live in those states! Lynda

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